Now that the final fall sports wrapped up earlier this week, it's time to post the first set of standings for the ROPSSAA Cup. If you did not read the introductory post on the topic, you can link to it here or scroll down on the blog home page.
One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post on the subject was tie-breakers. If two schools are tied, I will give the advantage to the school that earned points in more different sports/categories. If still tied, I will look at the variety of different sports. There are a number of other tie-breakers after that but I'll save the full list until the end of the year.
The full list of standings are below but first the top five schools and some commentary.
The fifth place school is Robert F. Hall which earned 22 points in three sports: gold in tier 1 field hockey and boys golf; and silver in boys tier 1 volleyball.
The fourth place school is Mount Carmel which earned 24 points in six sports: silver in senior tier 1 football, junior boys cross country, and boys golf; and 4th in tier 1 flag football, junior girls tennis, and junior girls cross country.
The third place school is Lorne Park which earned 26 points in 8 sports: gold in junior football; silver in tier 2 flag football and senior boys cross country; and 4th in senior girls tier 2 basketball, senior boys tier football, senior girls tier 1 field hockey, senior girls tennis, and midget girls cross country.
The second place school is St. Marcellinus which earned 27 points in 7 sports: gold in junior girls cross country; silver in midget boys cross country; bronze in junior boys tier 2 volleyball, junior boys football, and senior boys cross country; and fourth in junior girls tier 2 basketball and senior girls cross country.
However, all of these schools were dwarfed by the first place school this fall. Mayfield earned a whopping 50 points in 10 sports: gold in senior tier 2 football, tier 1 flag football, and senior girls tennis; silver in junior boys tier 1 volleyball, junior girls tennis, and senior girls cross country; and bronze in senior girls tier 2 basketball, junior girls tier 2 basketball, midget boys cross country and junior girls cross country.
The Mayfield result blew me away. I know they have a history of athletic success but I had no idea they dominated the fall season so thoroughly. In a region with as many accomplished schools as ROPSSAA this is very impressive. At the same time, I noticed a number of large schools with relatively low scores despite offering a wide variety of sports. The ones that stood out the most were Bramalea, Central Peel, Erindale, Fletcher's, Harold Brathwaite, Meadowvale, St. Augustine, and Woodlands; none of which scored any points in the fall. Also some other large schools were very low in the standings: John Fraser and Father Goetz both earned only five points while traditional athletic power Loyola only had 4 points. Of course some of these schools excel in winter or spring sports and disappointment is a subjective standard.
Here is the list of 40 schools that earned points in the fall, along with the number of different sports in brackets.
1. Mayfield - 50 ( 10 )
2. St. Marcellinus - 27 ( 7 )
3. Lorne Park - 26 ( 8 )
4. Mount Carmel - 24 ( 6 )
5. RF Hall - 22 ( 3 )
6. Rick Hansen - 21 ( 5 )
7. Campion - 20 ( 3 )
8. North Park - 16 ( 3 )
9. Notre Dame - 16 ( 3 )
10. BCSS - 15 ( 4 )
11. Turner Fenton - 15 ( 4 )
12. Clarkson - 15 ( 3 )
13. Philip Pocock - 15 ( 3 )
14. St. Joseph - 13 ( 3 )
15. St. Famille - 13 ( 3 )
16. St. Roch - 10 ( 2 )
17. Port Credit - 10 ( 2 )
18. Joan of Arc - 8 ( 3 )
19. Gonzaga - 8 ( 2 )
20. Xavier - 8 ( 2 )
21. Glenforest - 8 ( 2 )
22. Cardinal Leger - 8 ( 2 )
23. Cawthra - 8 ( 1 )
23. Chinguacousy - 8 ( 1 )
23. Mississauga - 8 ( 1 )
23. St. Michael - 8 ( 1 )
27. D'Youville - 7 ( 2 )
28. Humberview - 6 ( 2 )
28. Mentor - 6 ( 2 )
28. Streetsville - 6 ( 2 )
31. Applewood - 6 ( 1 )
31. Heart Lake - 6 ( 1 )
31. John Cabot - 6 ( 1 )
34. Iona - 5 ( 2 )
34. Loyola - 5 ( 2 )
36. Father Goetz - 4 ( 2 )
37. Holy Name - 4 ( 1 )
37. John Fraser - 4 ( 1 )
39. David Suzuki - 3 ( 1 )
40. Stephen Lewis - 2 ( 1 )
8 comments:
A huge accomplishment for Robert F Hall considering the school only offers six fall sport teams (varsity boys' volleyball, junior girls basketball, cross country, golf and junior/senior football).
Not to mention they are actually a AAA school this year due to a huge decrease in enrollment, competing against AAAA schools in OFSAA and all of their qualifiers.
Great idea! But should Tier 1 Sports count for more points that Tier 2? Typically they move onto OFSAA (more often that not) and the competition is significantly better?
Anonymous #1, RFH is still technically a 4A school this year because OFSAA designations are based on school size the previous year. (i.e. this year's designations are based on the October, 2010 enrollment reports.) Hall will be a AAA school next year, as will a couple of other schools with declining enrollments.
Anonymous #2, isn't that another argument in favour of more points for tier 1? If not, then I don't think I understand your point.
The primary reason I give fewer points to tier 1 is that most of the tier 2 playoffs in the fall consist of teams that finished 3rd and 4th in their divisions while the tier 1 playoffs were the teams that finished 1st and 2nd. I don't think the teams that finished 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th should earn as many points as the teams that finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.
While some leagues also play separate tier 1 and 2 regular seasons, the are the minority. Even in the case of these leagues, the level of competition is not nearly as strong (non playoff tier 1 teams still beat most higher ranked tier 2 teams in tournaments where there is a mix) so I didn't think an equal number of points would offer a true reflection of over-all performance in ROPSSAA sports.
This is a very interesting idea. Consider a weighting system for some sports over others, though as a school that is a powerhouse in cross-country gets the chance to rack up points for your Cup in 9 categories while a football or basketball powerhouse can only do so in two.
Consider also putting the number of points for Tier 2 titles in half. AAAA schools shouldn't be playing Tier 2 in the first place and should not be rewarded for giving up a 3-5 season in Tier 1 in favour of going 8-0 in Tier 2.
I like this idea but I have another points system that gives no points for tier 2 play (winning tier 2 means that you were either 3rd in your division or that you declared tier 2 so you could go 8-0 instead of being 2-6 in tier 1)
The other difference is that I have assigned points based on the number of schools in each activity. Giving the same number of points for bantam boys' volleyball (with 7 teams) might be unfair in comparison to the winners of senior boys' volleyball (with 50 teams).
The top 3 teams in each of the sports/levels were assigned points as follows:
1st: 3 points times the number of schools in that sport level (eg: senior boys' football had 31 teams total in the tiers so the T1 champs get 31 x 3 points)
2nd: 2 points times the number of schools
3rd: 1 point times the number of schools. In the case of sports involving semi-final losers, the teams split the points.
When you do this, you get the following standings:
Mayfield - 487
Campion - 255
Robert Hall - 250
Mount Carmel - 202
Notre Dame - 201.5
Brampton Centennial - 186
Rick Hansen - 177
Lorne Park - 159.5
St. Marcellinus - 155.5
North Park - 144.5
Pocock - 141
Ste. Famille - 135
Port Credit - 120
St. Michael - 111
Cawthra - 96
St. Joseph - 83.5
John Cabot - 80
Gonzaga - 74
Chinguacousy - 72
Xavier - 68
Turner Fenton - 60
St. Roch - 56.5
Cardinal Leger - 56
Clarkson - 49
St. Joan of Arc - 48
Mentor - 40
Holy Name of Mary College - 34
Applewood and Heart Lake - 28
Stephen Lewis - 25
Glenforest -23
Father Goetz and D'Youville - 22.5
Mississauga - 21
Streetsville - 14
Just something to think about!
Marty, you have some interesting ideas though I should point out that my system already halves the points for tier 2. It needs to be acknowledged that not all tier two playoffs are simply consolation playoffs for weaker tier 1 teams.
Your idea of weighting each league by using the number of teams would acknowledge the disparity in the number of teams in some leagues but 1 team = 1 point would skew things too much, IMO. I say this for a few reasons:
1. Most teams play a similar number of league and playoff games, regardless of the size of the league. On top of that..
2. Regardless of the number of teams, champions in most leagues played a similar number of different opponents. (i.e. teams that won in a league of 50 teams did not play even a quarter of those 50 teams in most cases) Besides...
3. In many cases, there is a significant drop off in quality after the first few teams (see senior girls basketball) so how does a much larger number of punching bags make a league of 50, 5 times more difficult as a league of 10?
@ROPSSAA Report:
My theory on giving points based on the number of schools participating remains simple...being the best bantam boys' volleyball team out of 7 schools is not comparable with being the best senior boys' volleyball team out of 50 schools. The other reason to give fewer points for the sports with fewer teams is that typically (but not always), the larger schools are the ones involved in more divisions and have that extra advantage of quantity over quality.
You don't need to play all 50 teams to prove that you are better than them...if you win ROPSSAA, you are better than everyone iin the league!
As for the Tier 1 vs. Tier 2 debate, I took all Tier 2 points away because each sport treats tiering differently. When they tier after the regular season, the Tier 2 winner is essentially the #17 team in the league...why give points to them? When they tier at the start of the season and there are for example 10 teams in tier 1, giving points to the tier 2 champion is like rewarding the #11 team. Keeping the points to the top tier only and it keeps things tidy.
(it was your idea for the Cup, so
sorry...maybe I got cut off?
I was just going to say that it is your Cup to give out and the same school won either way!
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